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savedbyasong ([personal profile] savedbyasong) wrote in [community profile] living_memes2018-05-29 09:34 pm

tl;cr meme



STEP ONE: Post with your character!
STEP TWO: Respond to other people's characters with your characters. They will then tell you, in detail, what their character thinks of yours -- and as per the meme's title, tl;dr is encouraged, but not necessary! Don't be afraid to ask others for their characters' first impressions of yours as well.
STEP THREE: Write out tl;dr for whoever comments to you in return.
STEP FOUR: Chat with each other in mutual joy/horror/disgust/delight/confusion at where your CR has gone!
BONUS: Use this for writing up CR charts, or if you already have them written, link to them!

(Stolen shamelessly from the Far Shore)
achievementhunter: (Let's ERASE this worthless world)

Chara | Undertale

[personal profile] achievementhunter 2018-05-29 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Let’s pretend that I don’t do this meme on plurk on the regular, shall we?
catpiper: (and i can just give up my mortal soul)

[personal profile] catpiper 2018-05-29 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"but lexy we just did this" shhhhh
achievementhunter: (let me see the dark as well as the light)

[personal profile] achievementhunter 2018-06-03 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Lmfao wow I don't even know what else to add here because we've covered so darn much of it BUT I am going to babble in delight about one, tiny thing.

Ren makes Chara comfortable with being vulnerable. Not just in like, ways that make sense to see in a negative connotation, but a pretty wide umbrella. Chara's... very much devoted to giving off the image of a collected individual who is wise well beyond their years. It's something they fostered from growing up, but sort of came to a head in their first game. They will fight Tooth And Nail to ensure their ideas and leadership are respected and whilst that doesn't mean No Fun Ever it definitely means they've avoided even remotely childish activities- even gardening got tied in with a magical experiment to make it more viable in the past.

The fact that Ren can make Chara act like a child is amazing enough... but then they're blowing bubbles and running around with sparklers, saying nya in their best cat voice- in front of adults they respect and want to be respected by in turn. Somehow, she's made being vulnerable in the sense of acting immature (or, y'know, their actual age) an acceptable action, if only in front of a select few. But really? That's big enough in of itself.

She's also helping make touch a safer thing, too. The majority of the time, Chara's holding her hand for her sake- but it has become an action that they're comfortable with. Her touch? Relatively okay. It's not all the way there, but past like, Frisk and Tim, she's up there on being trusted with that to the same extent Lup is. That slowly building foundation of people who make touch okay is a super good step in the right direction.

Lastly, she makes it safe to hide. I don't go into Chara's background a lot because it's cws to the nines, but in direct contrast to Ren they learned the hard way what hiding would get them. They don't not run purely because they're brave, stubborn, and kind of a glutton for punishment (though these still apply), it also comes down to being afraid to hide, because when whatever you're hiding from catches up, the punishment is just twofold.

So yes Ren is having some...really major affects on them? Just really big good things that Chara really, really needed. Bless this good trash goblin and the wonderful work she does.
catpiper: (stop why no put the chorizo back)

[personal profile] catpiper 2018-06-03 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)


oh nooo i'm so glad for all of these things?? i'm so happy-come hide and play games and chill with ren forever lil charabean. that good nugget deserves the best. god. i'm so glad she's having a good influence on them.
postictal: (like whatever dude)

[personal profile] postictal 2018-05-30 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
lay it on me binch
achievementhunter: (I'm losing what I don't deserve)

[personal profile] achievementhunter 2018-05-30 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright you goddamn minion it's payback Time. These two really have come a long way so I'm...going to attempt to spare you a little bit. Vaguely.

At the beginning of Sol Raveh and really, the beginning of LA, Tim was a responsibility Chara pretty openly didn't want. It's always been a bit more complicated than have, however; their resonance allowed Chara to see so many parallels in him, but also allowed them to excuse looking out for him as obligatory rather than actually having to acknowledge someone outside of Frisk as a kindred spirit. If they influenced Tim somehow, his worst qualities and those things they've identified with could simply be them, rather than someone else. Rather than Tim.

He's shown so much loyalty and faith in them that really it's just...insane? Especially now, Chara's lowkey beginning to understand that Tim has plenty of survival skills- not so great for a war zone, but shove him on a deserted island and Tim thrives, go figure. Still, he's stuck with them; someone who easily saw them at their worst in Sol and definitely has in LA. It's lead them to let their walls down with him far more than others. He knows... precisely how fucking tired they are. Something they don't share with Frisk, something they consciously attempt to avoid with Lup. And he just- lets them. Lets them be tired or angry or viciously, bitterly unhappy and doesn't hold them back from that unless he feels they'll regret what they're about to do later.

On top of that, he started gently calling them out on caring and doing nice things for people which honestly, bless him so much. They may not like it, but he's one of the very few they're willing to tolerate such talk from without there being serious attempts at burning bridges. And that tolerance has extended like... a lot? With him chasing Asriel, their instinct naturally shoves blame on adults for causing damage- Sans copped that like, innumerable times. And Tim got the chance to explain.

It's the largest allowance Chara has ever made for anyone, this child who murdered their own mother 16 times out of spite. That's a huge turnaround for them, because they're starting to be more forgiving of smaller things for others, too. This... letting go of shit, rather than hoarding it as points against people for a later date, is entirely on Tim. Because he's flawed, so very flawed, but he's so very on their side that those little things have started outright not mattering and those larger things are points they want to give him the chance to explain into something acceptable.

Much like Tim has started trying for their sake, Chara's been doing the same for him- and because of him. It's quite possible that in a really weird way, Tim makes Chara... kinder. They've already lost so much that it's beyond fucking amazing that they're still reaching out to people, but he's a huge influence in that direction, as well. Their paranoia over losing him isn't really based on anything he's done, but the fact that they care enough to be paranoid?

That absolutely is.
souldeterminant: ([c] it's me.)

[personal profile] souldeterminant 2018-05-30 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
owo whats this? WE HECKED UP
achievementhunter: (Chasing that sundown)

[personal profile] achievementhunter 2018-06-03 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
WELLY WELL WELL THIS IS A FINE FUCK UP WE'VE GOT HERE HUH?

There's something incredibly ironic about Frisk and Chara's relationship. And we've been playing them together for so long that I think we get the full effect of all the fantastic parallels and none of these are really going to surprise you-- but the first irony is that these parallels are absolutely the aspects of them that are destroying their relationship right now.

There's a lot Chara doesn't recognize. In a way, I think they do actually buy into Frisk being an Angel just as much, if not more than monsters do, because up until recently all of Frisk's transgressions were written off as not their fault. Someone always pushed them into it, it was self-defense, it was actually Chara. Chara is literally the IC equivalent of an Undertale fan who shoves them under the Down With Cis bus to excuse every bad quality Frisk has, except Chara runs over everyone before driving it off a cliff.

Which is where those parallels really fuck them over, because Frisk internalizes just as much, if not more than they do. Frisk is running on fumes just as much as Chara is. Frisk doesn't know what they want anymore, just like they don't.

Except Chara expects that they do have a goal. That they are driven and sure of it and that their wants haven't changed. So when all this seemingly abrupt change came through, Chara was totally blindsided.

They've woken up to the fact that Frisk can be selfish- which of course they can they're a goddamn child? Except instead of talking about how much it hurt them to have this-- ultimatum thrown at them; your Partner or the ERASURE your Partner asked for, the thing you thought they wanted, Chara internalized it. Just like Frisk internalized their feelings of abandonment when they discovered Chara's deal for permadeath.

The thing about containing all these emotions, however, is that they need the energy to do that? So after months of internalizing and deciding Frisk was to blame despite being a very consciously willing participant of ending it all despite their misgivings, the rubber band holding all of Chara's emotions in place- snapped. And then Chara snapping was the final stressor Frisk needed to snap. Both of them have a blisteringly icy anger as well, so there was this round robin of feeling unacknowledged by each other despite being painfully aware of each other(s absence) at all times.

Then there's what we talked about; the fact that neither of these kids has been in a fight that wasn't like, life or death? They're both- stuck, now, with the thought that they just tried to kill their Partner even if I could put 100 bucks on neither of them thinking the other was trying to kill them lmfao. Both of them have never had that give, before, both of them don't know what it's like to have a peaceful resolution, to have things not continuously devolve again and peace to be this brief, calm before the storm thing, so now that this has happened, neither knows that it's a situation that can be resolved.

Chara's opinion of Frisk isn't so much low as it is obscured by frustration and panic. If they open their mouth, something nasty is going to come out, something Frisk won't ignore, and the back and forth insult on top of injuries will lead to yet another round of "Chara attempts to kill Frisk with their bare hands." They don't know how to concede or compromise- neither does Frisk, and forgiveness is a very new, fragile thing to both of them that has never been utilized on something so heavy before, so important.

So yes. There is something very ironic about Chara and Frisk's relationship. More than the parallels about, however, is just how much of Frisk is Chara's-- everything. Up until this fight (and a few smaller elements since December), Chara's entire motivation has revolved around Frisk- keep them safe, hide their identity, keep them sheltered, fed, hydrated-- keep them alive so they can focus on what they want-- on what Chara had thought they wanted.

The truest irony of their relationship isn't the parallels destroying them right now, honestly. It's the fact that their first and most important parallel is that one word that defines them, and how it relates to the term 'Partner'. What Chara is really saying when they call Frisk their Partner.



After all, it'd be a little weird if they went around calling Frisk Determination, wouldn't it?
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Re: Chara | Undertale

[personal profile] prettypurpleparlor 2018-05-30 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, wanna buy a donut?
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[personal profile] solperierat 2018-06-03 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
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